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Model Structures for Model RR's
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posted May 8, 2011: 
I have just started to re-wire signals on a newly designed layout. The collection of signals and sensors however come from quite a few different manufacturers ? Lionel, MTH, Atlas O, Custom Signals, Z-Stuff etc. Each manufacturer has their own method of connection and signal detection. Since I was mixing signals and detectors I decided to put together a series of schematics showing how a signal is wired to a particular detector. The URL below will guide you to the PDF document.
While there is a lot of different signals and detectors shown the list is no where near complete i.e. MTH ITADs, New Jersey signals etc. So if anyone would like to post connection diagrams for signals/detectors not shown please respond. I will add to the PDF document as we go. Hopefully this PDF file will become a living document on this and the OGRR forum for all to use and enjoy.

(See link below - Wiring Signals REV 2

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t8afao
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posted May 8, 2011: 
Thanks for posting this, you just answered my question on signals and save me a lot of heart ache. Nick
 
Model Structures for Model RR's
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posted May 27, 2011: 
Thanks Nick
I just added 3 more pages to the document detailing how to add multiple signals to one ITAD. I also tried it the other way around i.e. wiring mutiple ITADS to one signal. This did not work out so good unless one is into Christmas Tree lighting!

Wiring Signals rev 2

 
GEF
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posted May 30, 2011: 
Do you have a diagram for a Z-stuff 1075 to control MTH highway flashers/crossing gates? I tried every possibility and can't figure it out.
 
Model Structures for Model RR's
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posted Jul 29, 2011: 
GEF:
My apologies - I don't get to this site very often. I am not familiar with the MTH product. If youy would like send me a wiring diagram of the crossing gate and I will see what I can do.
Joe Fauty
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redshift
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posted Aug 19, 2011: 
Yes Thank You for your time to help us out.

Thank You
 
redshift
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posted Aug 20, 2011: 
Do you know how to hook up an MTH ITAD to a Lionel semaphore from the mid 60's?
It has 3 connectors at the base of the semaphore.
 
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posted Aug 24, 2011: 
Hi Redshift:
I never used the semaphore nor the MTH ITAD but I do know one common error in wiring the Semaphore. There are three wires. One goes to an insulated rail (track). the middle one is labeled 'common' BUT is not ground - it is common to the blade and light bulb. The center terminal needs to be connected to power. Connect the left side (looking at the Semaphore from behind) to ground.

With that said the Semaphore operates by making use of an insulated portion of track. The ITAD works independent of the track by using a light that senses traffic and trips an internal switch. I would try the following (I am using Lionel ITAD terminology - hopefully the MTH version is similiar). Connect the right terminal of the Semaphore (insulated track connection) to 'normally close' of the ITAD. Connect the right terminal (ground) to ITAD ground and connect the left terminal (common) to ITAD power (if no power than try 'normally open'). The Semaphore operates on 12-16 volts so please be careful how much power you are running into the ITAD. You do not want to use track power to power the ITAD.

Please let me know how things finally worked out so I can add to the collection.

Joe
 
redshift
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posted Aug 28, 2011: 
OK Thank You,
I will let you know when I get it wired,it will be in a bit just got done remaking the table.

Again thanks
 
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posted Aug 28, 2011: 
Redshift:
I found a mistake in my wiring scenario - Connect right Terminal (ground) should read connect MIDDLE terminal (ground)
Joe
 
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posted Aug 31, 2011: 
OK will Do

Thanks
 
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posted Sep 27, 2011: 
Do you have wiring diagrams for the z-stuff 1011 with/without the 1080 relays to operate mth/lionel signals?

ralph
 
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posted Sep 27, 2011: 
Sorry Ralph I don't have.
I am also not sure what you are asking or what your intent is. From what I understand the DZ 1011 is a Block Signal with a built in IR detector. It is placed by a block or switch, detects a passing train and changes from green to red. I don't think it was designed for or can be connected directly to a MTH/Lionel signal if by signal you mean 'lights'. There is a white wire 'output' that can be connected to another DZ 1011 but I would not try connecting it to MTH/Lionel due to voltage incompatibility. You will to go through a 1008A Relay Module to make the connection.
If your intent is to use a Z-Stuff detector to sense a passing train and operate a MTH/Lionel signal downline then it much cheaper to purchase the 1075 Detector that can be connected directly to the signal.


 
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posted Apr 19, 2014: 
Joe - I know it's been a while now, but that PDF file seems to be missing. It's such a great resource, could please restore it for us?

Let me know if you'd like the Archive to host it for you, we can make that happen and we're happy to give it a home.

Cheers,

John
 

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